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Julie says:
Why didn’t these landowners and developer discuss their mineral rights before these homes were built? The fact that these landowners did not investigate their mineral rights, and that the developer did not tell these landowners that they were going to be keeping the mineral rights, is not the fault of the oil and gas producer or ODNR. Shame on these landowners for not doing good due diligence before they bought something. The time to inquire is before and not afterwards. Stop blaming others. Supporting an anti-domestic energy bill would not resolve this issue, it would only further our dependence on foreign energy. Why is the local oil and gas producer being attacked here? Clearly they have done nothing wrong. The “blurred” out so called employee is obviously disgruntled or a made up character posing as someone from the industry. Typical NEOGAP stuff. This video only demonstrates the need for people to be educated and a shameful display of how propaganda and the social media is going to kill this country. Do these residents have natural gas heating their home, heating their hot water tanks and turning on their stoves? Do these landowners turn on lamps, televisions, computers, appliances, all of which need energy? So they are objecting to domestic energy production in their community, but want to use it? How terrible! They are clearly an uneducated group of people that are just upset at the developer because he is profitting and not them. Greedy, greedy people all the way around! I have no respect for NEOGAP either. They clearly are an organization that only likes to make up stories, lies and half truths that end up dividing our communities. Thumbs way down on this video. Is Senator Grendell really relying on this group for legislation as he indicated in this video? Please tell me that this is not typical of the sole resource you use for creating state law. How scarey! No wonder we don’t have solid energy policies in this country. We would rather feed the terrorists in order to bring energy into our communities. Wow!
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KariWithNEOGAP says:
That was a rather rude and uninformed attack on citizens and NEOGAP. In OH many local oil/gas producers mail leases or go door to door and ask uneducated many times elderly home owners to sign here to get some free money or to help the school or the church. It often works. After a certain number of people are tricked into signing away their rights, the companies then threaten to take the mineral rights of other property owners nearby by who have done the due diligence. Some home owners cave and sign and others have their mineral rights taken by the state without due process. It is this struggle between greedy home owners who believe they will become rich off a well and are willing to risk the health and safety of the neighborhood who is opposed that divides communities- not NEOGAP. NEOGAP are volunteers in engineering, oil and gas, education, law and many other professionals who devote their time and money to help others for free. Our input to the lawmakers is from professionals in the field and BMPs. And the driller in the video is one of the best and not at all a fake or disgruntled. Everything we publish and speak of can be supported by documented facts as opposed to these crazed rants or industry advertisements. We support Ohio oil & gas exploration and production, we do not however agree this industry should be placed 75-100ft from homes and children in residential areas as it is permitted today by decisions made only by the ODNR and the gas company with NO REGARD TO LOCAL ZONING or public input. Based on Julie’s logic I imagine she advocates that her residential neighborhood be filled with computer and TV manufacturing facilities 100 ft from her door without her consent… since she does use these products, her logic says she must be ok with having them outside her doorstep.
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Julie says:
I was speaking directly to this video Ms.KariWithNEOGAP. As a retiree, I have the luxury of extra time. Please note that just because someone is elderly does not mean they are uneducated too as your comments suggest. That is rather “rude and uniformed attack” on senior citizens. I’ve have done my due diligence on NEOGAP and have now become an anti-NEOGAP citizen and encourage others to be angered as well. According to your comments, you are saying that hundreds of thousands of landowners, and thousands of communities all across the state, including elected school officials, have all been “tricked” into signing away mineral rights. And that they were “tricked” because they are all “greedy people.” Wow and wow! If this driller is truly the “best” why is he not identified? More “trickery.” You have also “tricked” viewers watching this video in your statement “30 years ago when gas wells were drilled, they were within acres and acres of farmland. If a safety problem arose it would only affect the landowner who installed the wells. Now since Ohio’s law allows gas wells to be drilled in residential neighborhoods, 100’s or even 1000’s can be affected if there is a safety issue.” First off, wells have been drilled in residential neighborhoods for almost 100 years, so this is not new law. Second, a landowner doesn’t install a well, they lease their property and a producer drills and produces the well. Third, is it hundreds or thousands? Get your facts straight Ms. KariWithNEOGAP. I’m sure you are proud that your lead speaker acknowledges he doesn’t know American law. He should be required to learn this before helping to create a video discussing laws. Thank you for providing the sublines so I could understand his English. Is he even an American citizen? You should also tell him that most of the birds have started going south, and I am sure the squirrels and deer will be plentiful again by early spring. At least those that survive hunting season or are not hit by cars. If these residents believe that natural gas is such a safety issue, why do they allow it to be free flowing into their homes? More trickery Ms. Kari. A gas well takes up a very small space. The well down my street looks like a fenced box and is smaller than my non-SUV vehicle. I fully support those you call “tricked,” “greedy,” and “uneducated many times elderly.” A manufacturing plant as you suggest I should endorse on my doorstep would cover most of my community. A bit of a difference wouldn’t you agree? The gas well would be a mere employee parking space at that plant. More trickery in your replies. Finally, you say that you and NEOGAP support natural gas development. Tell me then why you are posting your video on the “un-naturalgas site.” Let’s save “tricks” for Halloween Ms. Kari. The “treat” that Ohio has been given is our geology. Let’s explore mother nature’s potential!
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clearwater says:
Julie, this post is really out of line, but I’ve allowed it to post anyway, since it speaks volumes about the problems with your point of view.
You should know that Kari didn’t post her video on our blog. I did.
Would you by any chance be a royalty owner?
I would encourage you to get informed about slickwater hydraulic fracturing, also known as HD/HVHF, a process that was not invented until very recently. It was not a threat 100 years ago.
Have you even heard about the suburban home in Ohio that exploded last year due to nearby hydraulic fracturing for natural gas? If it had happened to you, I suggest you’d have a much different opinion than that which you’re so indignantly espousing.
A few places to begin your exploration of the facts and how this process is affecting people, destroying property values, health, quality of life:
This blog (read all the posts)
http://www.un-naturalgas.org/hydraulic_fracturing_a-z.htm (read all the way to the end; you may be particularly interested in the section on energy independence
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Julie says:
No not a royalty owner. Wish I was. The surburban home in Ohio did not explode and there have been no links to the hydraulic fracturing. I will at least extend the courtesy of previewing your suggested sites, but I’m doubtful you will have a converter. Thanks for at least posting opposing view points. Frankly, I’m rather shocked. NEOGAP is a very bad organization, and their false information and half truths are being exposed in Ohio. I would use great caution in posting anything they obviously submitted to you. Best regards. Julie.
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clearwater says:
Julie, I believe you’re wrong on both points (“home in Ohio did not explode and there have been no links to the hydraulic fracturing”). I have the data and will submit later when I can get back to my computer. I also believe you’re completely wrong in your criticism of NEOGAP. In this case, I’m afraid such statements say more about the person making the accusation.
Time will tell who is right: the natural gas industry or the citizens. So far, the mass of the evidence is on the citizens’ side.
More later. Thank you for agreeing to read the site and blog – I hope you will do so before making further broad statements about anyone’s position or reputation other than your own.
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annie says:
Julie,
If you go to your Dept. of Natural Resources link below and read on page 5, last paragraph and page 6 you will read about the explosion in Bainbridge and the circumstances surrounding it. You will also read about other buildings having methane in their basements including the police station.
Also below is a link to the article that was in the Sun Times.
You sound just like a Nornew gas manager I met up in northern NY. Do you work for the gas industry? It is just amazing to me that you didn’t hear about the Bainbridge explosion. That was national news.
If you don’t work for gas drillers, I think you’d better look into gas drilling as it exists today. Your children and their children’s lives are at stake. Why not leave it in the ground until we have a SAFE technology to get it out? Let our children and grandchildren have it. A much less selfish option and very giving also on the part of the gas and oil, don’t you think?
Anniehttp://www.cleveland.com/sunnews/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/123988722216420.xml&coll=4
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Ohio Department of Natural Resources
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Causation of the Aquifer Gas Invasion and Home Explosion Bainbridge Township, …. Drive and ignited causing an explosion that seriously damaged the house. …
http://www.bainbridgetwp.com/…/FinalAnalysisfromODNRConcerningEnglishWellDrilling.pdf –
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clearwater says:
I’m posting this for someone who’s living at Ground Zero in Susquehanna County, PA, and who is a royalty owner:
“I am so sick of people calling landowners stupid for not knowing about mineral rights before they buy their house–especially in urban or suburban communities. Have you ever had a realtor discuss mineral rights before you bought a house? That was unheard of before the past year or so. Or making them sound ignorant because they assume a huge industrial construction project that could endanger neighbors health could not possibly be undertaken right next to their house. In New York State, everyone is jubilant about the restriction about the gas company having to assume responsibility for water contamination 1,000 feet away or less. Up the road from me, Norma Fiorentino’s water well exploded, and Cabot would do nothing for her, because they said the gas well was 1,001 feet away! She had it remeasured, and it was less than a thousand feet away, but still received no filtration system, water delivery, or gas monitor. Now, their representative uses her as the “poster child” for a satisfied Cabot customer. I can tell you, there are wells in Dimock contaminated by gas well drilling that are more than 1,000 feet away. I’ve been told that natural gas, ethers, metals, solids, and chemicals can travel 20 miles underground through an aquifer. Cabot will continue to press on and drill and hydrofracture until they feel they have thoroughly extracted all their money’s worth of natural gas from our community, and then they will move on.”
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jamminmole says:
This is for Julie. I don’t live in Ohio, I live in West Texas…the heart and soul of the oil and gas industry. My husband, now ex, worked in the oil fields for 8 years. DuoLine/Rice Engineering hired him with no experience whatsoever. My husband, prior to this, was a musician and a stocker for a grocery store when we lived in Denver, CO. After about 4 months of working for DuoLine, my husband was promoted to supervisor. Wow, huh…he was given responsibility in matters he had no business involved in. The H2S gas that is present in the field is deadly…He was responsible for checking the meters, the masks and ensuring everyone was trained on HAZMAT procedures, and yet he’d never been certified to do so. About a year into the job, DuoLine fired the engineer they had working for them over in Houston. Yep, you guessed it, they put my husband on the job. Now, my hubby has a GED and 30 hours of business courses…he didn’t have an engineering degree. So, just speaking from what I’ve been exposed to, and I’m only talking about the “men” in the field, they are not highly qualified, their bosses don’t supervise them…the only thing that these companies care about is the bottom line. In fact, the crew my husband was in charge of were…ex cons, alcoholics, drug users…or illegals. Does that sound like a company that follows regulations? The mineral rights thing, we bought our home 9 years ago…not once did it even occur to us that we wouldn’t own the land and the mineral rights under our house. We had it inspected, asked the normal first time house buyer questions…when do you learn about these things? To be quite honest, I believe I was a bit naive…I trusted way too many people I shouldn’t have. I grew up very conservative, in a family that ALWAYS voted Republican, listened to Rush Limbaugh, followed FOX news…but Julie, you’re probably a lot like my own grandmother and I love her with all my heart. There’s nothing I could even say to change her mind on the things she’s set on believing. I thank God every day, that I have a strong mind, that’s open and willing to read and do the research instead of blindly following the principles and beliefs that were handed down from generation to generation. Since you have so much free time available, you should take some of it and visit a few places in Texas, littered with gas and oil wells. Big pits full of sludge, leaking equipment, ground that won’t grow a darn thing, domestic pets dying from internal bleeding, being waken from a sleep by a powerful chemical smell, children getting acid burns on their skin, streets that continue to crack even after being repaired, ground sinking where fracturing wells are sitting…when you’ve taken the time to really see the effects of gas and oil drilling then maybe you’ll be interested in alternative energy sources, responsible drilling, and environmental safeguards. And Julie, believe me when I say this, that list of people I trust these days, grows shorter and shorter.
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